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Movement in East Asia
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7/25/2016 8:48:34 PM

aschleicher
aschleicher
Posts: 44
Subject: Seminar #1 Evaluation
In the morning session, professor Clayton Dube discussed in the "movement" of goods, services, and especially people. What are the root causes of migration? With the reading on the Japanese population decline and the need for foreign workers, the Japanese government is considering more guest workers, and changing rules for permanent residents. Is it enough for the dire need of people? Japan wants a solution, but the government does not seem ready for the difficult decisions that it will have to make in the next 20 years.

The book by Howard French, China's Second Continent, describes the "empire" of a million Chinese migrants, and the conflict/resentment that ferments throughout certain regions. The excerpt further details the harsh conditions of cultivating land and making a home for migrants. The movement of people and the conflict that it brings is evident in much news in Europe and the U.S., but we never hear about the migration of Chinese to Africa, or African migrating to China. In the article about Afro-Chinese marriages in Guangzhou, the author describes African merchants who marry Chinese but are not given citizenship. The children are given citizenship and it has created the new mixed race. But, tensions do flair in China regarding the African migrants when it comes to marriage of Chinese women, and the difficulty for Africans to assimilate into the Chinese culture. This is another example of the difficulty in the "movement" of people that is seen in Africa and China.
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7/25/2016 8:52:43 PM

EunjeeKang
EunjeeKang
Posts: 21
Subject: Korea and Japan
Hi
I was actually shocked when I first found out about birthright citizenship in other countries because Korea/China(as far as I know)/Japan do not acknowledge it (and I grew up in Korea).

I do not have a great answer for China's case, but I know exactly why Korea does not acknowledge it and I can guess why Japan is the same way.

As many people know, China is a quite diverse nation, and their cultural tolerance is actually much higher than Korea and/or Japan (at least this is how I have felt). However, Korea and Japan are ethnically the most homogeneous nations in the world (Please refer https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/16/a-revealing-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-ethnically-diverse-countries/ ), and the stability of their nation and ethnic identities has been firm for more than 1,000 years old (Japan can be arguable). For example, Korean peninsula's borderline between Korea and China had not been changed a lot since 10th century.

I believe that this stability has assured Koreans and Japanese people that who Korean/Japanese people should be, "purebred".
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7/25/2016 9:35:45 PM

EunjeeKang
EunjeeKang
Posts: 21
Subject: Korean students' life
I don't know how helpful this would be, but I will share it anyways.

A year ago, I was asked to have a presentation about Korean students' life to 7th graders, and I used this presentation. You can probably grasp what kind hell-ish lifestyle Korean students are forced to have.
https://1drv.ms/p/s!AkctKlLiGdQ0iQJHXiMubh-RQvbq
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7/25/2016 9:45:25 PM

jschilp
jschilp
Posts: 24
Subject:
That first article, the story of the Chinese man who went to Mozambique, reminds me greatly of the colonization of the New World. Basically, it seemed like the Chinese didn't care whose land they were taking or why and they didn't care about the others who were grabbing land either. They just wanted to find a place to establish their own domain & rule over others. Sad to see that this mentality still persists in the 21st century...
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7/25/2016 9:49:17 PM

jschilp
jschilp
Posts: 24
Subject: Response to Eunjee's post on Korean schools
Having many students with families still in Korea, I was shocked to hear how school went there & how glad they are to be in American schools. To tell you the truth, I wish we could at least adopt a few ideas like the students cleaning classrooms & such, especially with LAUSD mandating that custodial staff spend no more than 2 minutes per day in each classroom. That leaves our rooms a complete failure according to health inspectors.
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7/25/2016 10:07:32 PM

jschilp
jschilp
Posts: 24
Subject: LA as World Economic Power
I was also shocked to hear how massive the GDP for LA is. As mentioned, we all just think Hollywood or beautiful beaches but not many think of the sheer magnitude of money that passes through LA/LB harbors. It makes me happier being an Angelino knowing how much the world relies on our ports. I think this is such uncommon knowledge but if more people knew about it - especially certain groups out there - LA might just be a target for you-know-what.


The one point that kind of saddened me was the mention of the massive amount of empty containers going back to China. We are such a consumer culture that we don't even care what it is. We just want to fill our "needs" rather than fill our lives with the richness of others and experiences. This is why I've been drawn to Taoism & Confucianism for so long. The ideals in these philosophies are so rich in interactions with people & nature while divorcing themselves from desire & commerce. This is definitely a point I'll be bringing up for discussion & interpretation in my classes. I just wonder if my students will realize the pitfalls of "getting and spending" (Wordsworth, "The World Is Too Much With Us") and stop to appreciate the natural world or their families any more than they do now.
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7/25/2016 10:07:48 PM

njimenez
njimenez
Posts: 58
Subject: Response to Introduction Lecture
During Clayton’s lecture, we talked about the cause of migration and how we can get students to buy into what we teach. We talked about Guānxì, a word that I have never heard of, a Chinese word that is now part of the English language. It is used when we speak of Chinese relationships and connections. This was a good introduction to the next session about international trade.
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7/25/2016 11:08:17 PM

hlien
hlien
Posts: 20
Subject:
Similar to "rent men" in Japan, there is also "rent boyfriend" in China. It may not be too late for me to change career. 8-)
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=china%20boyfriend%20for%20rent
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7/25/2016 11:26:50 PM

nminassian
nminassian
Posts: 23
Subject: Response to Introduction Lecture
The first session of today's lesson made me realize that the hardship I have experienced as a foreigner in a new culture and country was a very common path for the most immigrants. Why do we come? What are our dreams? How much do we accomplish? I believe that our hard life and the strong desire to be able to build a better future for our children, makes us persevere and overcome challenges.
I also liked the part where everyone got to introduce themselves and ask questions. Some of my own questions were answered, and some others were born. I was surprised to see so many Asian people having similar questions as me (someone who knows almost nothing about East Asia). I have learned a lot seeing all those tables and charts comparing US to China. It was interesting/shocking to see all those tremendous numbers of ever-growing economic lead of China.
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7/25/2016 11:45:45 PM

nminassian
nminassian
Posts: 23
Subject: Rent a man...
What a wonderful way to make money!!! I listen to my family members' and friends' problems all the time for free... But, on a more serious note, I understand that most of the time it is somewhat easier to talk to a complete stranger and pour your heart and soul to them, than to a spouse or a parent. Knowing that no one will judge you takes the tension away. Being able to full your family with a rented boyfriend/girlfriend is also a smart way of making people leave you alone with their annoying questions... My poor sister had to deal with it for 12 years... until she finally got married.
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7/25/2016 11:53:20 PM

rbrady
rbrady
Posts: 39
Subject:
Excellent articles on both entrepreneurs in China and Africa. Inspiring and showing the power available to individuals that are willing to work hard and take some risks. Interesting stories about the African men marrying entrepreneurial woman from the countryside. In discussing this with Robert Cheung he told me that areas outside of Hong Kong no longer really speak Cantonese any longer because of such influences they have become Mandarin speaking. Testament to the blending of peoples from throughout China and Africa.
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7/26/2016 1:13:06 AM

yreynoso
yreynoso
Posts: 23
Subject: Renting a Man/ Exerpt
Traveling to unfamiliar lands where immigrants potentially will face many socio-economical challenges makes one wonder what are the inner motivations that make people take the risk of leaving their homeland and their loved ones? What it's so attractive and so powerful that move the minds of these people to travel enormous distances and to find company in perfect strangers? It is the case of this Chinese man Hao Shengli who although knew this adventure would be dangerous, he embarked into a hostile territory in Mozambique with the idea of prosper as an investor.

It is admirable and strange to me that people engage in risky adventures where the unknown and unpredictable becomes the daily routine; however, people continue doing it in pro of a personal or economical goal. In both articles, I found similarities between the individuals traveling and the people who must justify their actions and their presence in a foreign land: on one hand, renting a man to either avoid arrange marriage or to impress family members with an individual with ideal characteristics as a boyfriend/husband to be is not a bad idea, until someone finds out the real story. On the other hand, Hao Shengli who dares to travel to Africa to try to establish himself as a business man, finds himself in the middle of risky businesses, dealing with unfriendly community members. Nevertheless, in both cases, the human nature and strong will of the individuals in these articles set an inspiring precedent for all immigrants who are in search of new professional and economical goals.
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7/26/2016 1:38:12 AM

yreynoso
yreynoso
Posts: 23
Subject: Lecture on Movement
This morning was very enriching to learn about the impact of international trading between the USA and China. It is wonderful to learn through statistics that the USA shows itself as a pungent economical power. The world of finances is incredibly complex for me to understand, but today was definitely a shock and a million reasons to be proud of this country and all that offers. I grew very interested in learning how and why are various multi-million dollars building projects going on at the same time in the metropolitan are of Los Angeles. Does East Asia investor have anything to do with this? What kind of business are being brought to LA?


On other topic, I am still sadly surprised why the USA is sending empty boxes to China, when we should be exporting goods and services, instead of being labeled as the city with the highest consumerism rate in North America. on the other hand, I am impressed with the incredible infrastructure and effective management system that both L.A. and Long Beach Ports possess. The professional and powerful insight that Mr. Chaung presented on International trading and the economical impact East Asia has on the Los Angeles area makes Angelenos very proud. I was amazed abut how just a "small" sector of the economy handled at the port requires such a huge amount of resources and how these resources impact the distribution and production of goods and services ; stimulating the economy and bringing more jobs and well being to communities.
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7/26/2016 7:25:10 AM

mhagiwara
mhagiwara
Posts: 32
Subject: Men for Rent
When I first heard you introduce this topic, and after reading the article you posted, the first thing that comes to mind is the role of host & hostess bars in Japan. In some ways it seems that this practice of "renting" individuals is very comparable to the numerous host bars that also plague the country. At host bars men are hired to entice women into the business which serves food and alcohol, while at hostess bars the roles are switched. Often times, as is with those who rent men, the people who come to these establishments are middle aged and come to have their voices heard and/or be acknowledged. Japanese society still practices a sort of quiet passiveness that usually results in antisocial behavior. I feel that it's getting better but even if you go to Japan today, you can tell that expressing one's feelings and emotions overtly is not quite the norm. I've attached a few articles that also discuss host/hostess bars in Japan.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/04/05/national/host-clubs-a-hotbed-of-human-trafficking/#.V5dxkmZa5Ko
http://www.japan-talk.com/jt/new/strange-world-of-male-hosts-in-japan
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/9524899/The-grim-truth-about-life-as-a-Japanese-hostess.html
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7/26/2016 8:30:45 AM

rbrady
rbrady
Posts: 39
Subject: Immigration to Japan
Interesting ideas about work-life balance in the local population to create higher fertility rates in Japan. Also interesting to see how the Korean immigrant population does not integrate because of the lack of birthright citizenship. Food for thought for any nation thinking of absorbing large groups of immigrants. These changes may be generational. As children as taught the story of US immigration there are some good compare - contrast scenarios that can be used in the classroom with this article.
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7/26/2016 8:35:41 AM

mmadruga
mmadruga
Posts: 23
Subject:
The discussion regarding Marco Polo was insightful. The record of his travels and experiences, and the interpretation of his stories is probably about 10 percent accurate? The witnesses of an event can, and do have totally different versions of what they heard,saw and experienced. The stories are hearsay, the text is translated, and the
adventures are embellish hyperboles.
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7/26/2016 8:42:40 AM

mmadruga
mmadruga
Posts: 23
Subject:
"The past is a foreign country, they do things differently there" L. P. Hartley The Go-Between
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7/26/2016 9:18:56 AM

victoriachan
victoriachan
Posts: 27
Subject: Afro Chinese Marriages
Since there are many marriages between African men and Chinese women, I wonder what that does to the already imbalanced ratio of Chinese men to women in that area of China.
And while this is happening in Guangzhou, which is in the southern part of China, more Chinese men marry Russian women than Chinese women marry Russian men in the northern part of China.
http://rbth.asia/society/2013/05/25/the_key_to_a_happy_russo-chinese_marriage_46943.html
http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.com/2015/08/russian-women-increasingly-marrying.html
I find this fascinating because from my experience, Chinese people can be really xenophobic (as evidenced in the anecdote about how a Chinese mother-in-law was turning her Afro-Chinese grandchildren against Africa), but it seems like the newer generation is opening up to marrying people from other races/nationalities.
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7/26/2016 9:20:15 AM

iverdin
iverdin
Posts: 49
Subject:
I was extremely impressed by the Stephen Cheung's presentation. I ignored a lot of the information given about the importance of the Los Angeles port and the new projects about protecting the environment. I also didn't know who were the main foreign investors in the region and what the plans were in downtown LA. I truly believe I need to share all my notes with my classes, especially because I work in the San Pedro area. I'm planing on translating all the material into Spanish and have my students do some more research on the importance of the port, what are most important imports and exports that come in and go out though this port, what types of jobs does the port generate and so on. I want them to present their findings in class in the target language, I am sure they will be excited to know more about their neighborhood.
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7/27/2016 2:48:42 PM

Clay Dube
Clay Dube
Administrator
Posts: 1921
Subject: dube presentation
I've had to compress the presentation and divide it up in order to share it via the forum. Sorry about that.

You are free to use the presentation for your own reference and with your students. Please DO NOT otherwise share or distribute the presentation. This is because I did not seek or receive permission to use some of the copyrighted photos that are included. It's fine to use the presentation in your classroom, but please do not post it to the net or otherwise share the presentation. Thank you.
edited by Clay Dube on 7/27/2016

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